lefttop righttop
leftborder rightborder
leftborder
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
April 25, 2017, 02:53:57 AM

Login with username, password and session length
Recent
[Today at 02:47:49 AM]

[Today at 02:39:37 AM]

[Today at 02:09:17 AM]

[Today at 02:06:59 AM]

[Today at 01:32:39 AM]

[Today at 01:31:35 AM]

[Today at 01:24:51 AM]

[Today at 01:21:27 AM]

[Today at 01:19:06 AM]

[Today at 01:13:12 AM]
Pages: [1]   Go Down
Author Topic: Design questions...  (Read 2759 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Pronto232409
student



Offline Offline

Posts: 13


« on: February 27, 2013, 03:58:34 AM »

We have organised our first game of ViDe for this week and as the bloke introducing these rules to the group I know I am going to be bombarded with design questions, so I thought I might try to get ahead of the curve here and ask a few questions that I think might arise when I show off the rules.

1.  Why do the LW US and LW Germans have the same leadership scores and the LW Brits and LW Russians share the same the same values.

2.  Why do the Section MG's ie Brens and BAR's share the same number of Firepower dice as the Vickers and 30cal MG's

Thanks
Logged
Agis
villainous mastermind
Moderator
scatterbrained genius




Offline Offline

Location: Berlin
Posts: 3862


WWW
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 08:11:59 AM »

Just some reasons...

1 - US - confidence, good Support lines etc.
Germans - Desperation, the sheer German stubbornness not to give up, the fear what the Soviets will do to the German Civilians...
British - Younger and younger recruits, nobody wants to be the last men to die in WWII etc.
Soviets - Overall bad Training etc.

In addition I am always looking up other WWII game Systems, like BA, DH or FoW to get a bit of coherence across game Systems. So even if I read  a historical text about well  trained Soviet Units but the Overall gaming Consensus are badly trained Units, I tend to give also less exalted gaming stats.

2 - Huh? I am afraid I do not really get your question…
M1919A6 .30 Cal HMG   3   48”   2xD6+1   Set Up/2, Suppression
M1918 BAR   3   36”   3xD6   Suppression
Bren LMG   3   36”   2xD6   Set Up/2, Suppression
Vickers HMG   3   48”   2xD6+1   Set Up/2, Suppression

Looks different to me, can you explain it a bit more?
« Last Edit: March 02, 2013, 09:33:21 AM by Agis » Logged

cheers and keep on gaming, Agis - http://www.adpublishing.de
Pronto232409
student



Offline Offline

Posts: 13


« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2013, 12:54:46 PM »

It is my mistake concerning the weapon features - I had not read the rules correctly.

So the Leadership value is not a function of a commanders ability to command on the battlefield but more a reflection of logistics and other off table effects.

Perhaps calling it something else might have been better. A Leadership value would indicate to me the combat commanders ability to motivate his troopers to achieve his combat mission.

With this in mind I have no troubles seeing the Germans as rated at 7 (I will refer to Platoon Commanders only as the values seem to be consistent throughout) with the US and Brits rated as 6 with the Russians coming in at a 5.

The US filtered their replacements into units and even their wounded would not necessarily be returned to the unit in which they had previously served. The Brits and Germans seemed to have at least returned their wounded to the units in which they had served prior to being wounded. There are examples of the more experienced members of a US squad not even bothering to learn the names of the new guys until they had seen a bit of combat just in case they became casualties.

Now I am only referring to the standard infantry units in this post - not the more elite units like Paras etc.

What function is there within the points system to reduce leadership values - apart from the battle worn ability.
Logged
Agis
villainous mastermind
Moderator
scatterbrained genius




Offline Offline

Location: Berlin
Posts: 3862


WWW
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2013, 02:16:16 PM »

I am honestly not really getting your Point...
  Confused
Quote from the rulebook:
Leadership (Ld) – This statistic reflects the leadership, training, alertness, bravery or level of tactical insight.
It is used in many, many places all over game, starting how it effects movement (Ld Distance), to Command Actions and all the rest.
 Cool
Logged
Pronto232409
student



Offline Offline

Posts: 13


« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 12:49:18 AM »

My point is I find it hard to believe that the US are rated the same as the Germans and the Brits the same as the Russians.

I am fairly certain no US or German soldier wanted to be killed with the war coming to an end either.

Is there a way to change these values as some lists do not have the 'Battle Worn' points reduction???
« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 12:51:44 AM by Pronto232409 » Logged
Agis
villainous mastermind
Moderator
scatterbrained genius




Offline Offline

Location: Berlin
Posts: 3862


WWW
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013, 12:19:16 PM »

There is no "official" way.

If your opponent agrees try the following:
If you want to bump your Ld up one point take 10% off the points value you can use for the battle.
So in a 1000 pts battle were all your infantry benefits from a Ld +1 you can only field units worth 900 points.
No cherry picking, every infantry unit is one dot better, vehicles stay the same.

That goes also the other way. If you think your forces are too good you can lower the Ld by1 and can use 10% more units.

This is a very rough way but should work!
Logged
Pronto232409
student



Offline Offline

Posts: 13


« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 12:21:33 AM »

Ok I will put that to the group.

We played out our first game last week and these were just some of the questions that were put to me that were design choices and I wanted to give my group answers from the designer, not a "well this is probably what he was trying to achieve" type answer.

I like the rules as written, although the leadership values had me scratching my head when it was raised during the post game debrief.

We have our second game planned for this week.
Logged
Agis
villainous mastermind
Moderator
scatterbrained genius




Offline Offline

Location: Berlin
Posts: 3862


WWW
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 08:19:14 AM »

Have fun! Cool
Logged
Pronto232409
student



Offline Offline

Posts: 13


« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 11:06:09 AM »

Hope so, if I remember I will post a debrief....
Logged
mav0604
lurker



Offline Offline

Posts: 3


« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 12:00:19 PM »

I am playing my first game of ViDe with Pronto this week.

US Airborne vs Waffen SS. If my dice do the usual thing, I will get my backside kicked as usual. I have fun anyway.

Cheers

Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
 
Jump to:  

Related Topics
Subject Started by Replies Views Last post
Design Philosophy Old West « 1 2 » Hawkeye 23 3933 Last post March 05, 2009, 05:36:21 AM
by Hawkeye
Where to get Design 28 Automatons? VSF Adventures Doc Twilight 13 3197 Last post February 13, 2010, 09:41:35 AM
by Doc Twilight
Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions Future Wars « 1 2 » Darthvegeta800 20 6813 Last post May 08, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
by Photographer
Questions for GASLIGHT players - new questions 16th Jan VSF Adventures « 1 2 » Red Orc 16 4681 Last post January 17, 2011, 09:11:38 PM
by Red Orc
More 28mm design questions - electricity? VSF Adventures Schrumpfkopf 7 1206 Last post November 09, 2014, 04:28:26 PM
by Metternich
rightborder
leftborder
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines
TinyPortal v0.9.8 © Bloc
Waltz design by IchBin
Impressum

Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
leftbottomborder   rightbottomborder