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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2011, 11:47:21 PM »

Well, excuse me for trying to be helpful.

I only mentioned his novel (novels are fiction, after all) Stonehenge because it may suggest a few scenarios, ones that might be just as (im)plausible as the ones that were already put forward...

By the way, your reply did not seem to be in keeping with what I had thought to be the generally friendly and helpful tone of this forum...

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The "Bernard Cornwell" is not a name I would use in this forum if you wish to retain respect or credibility.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 11:59:09 PM »

Apologies. I was intending to be a trifle jocular as we are often on this forum. I had no idea you would be overly sensitive and take it as something more than that.

So once again I apologise.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 12:06:04 AM »

"Overly sensitive"? No, not really. However, you don't know me and I don't know you, so smileys would have helped.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 12:11:17 AM »


I have PM'd you. I trust you will see this whole "thing" is merely semantics with no evil intent in any shape or form. I bear no ill will to anyone in the Forum.

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 12:23:02 AM »

Replied! As mentioned, I think that we may have (re-)enacted another possible bronze age scenario! Representatives from two neighbouring tribes meet at a river ford, misunderstand each other's dialects, and a fight ensues!
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 04:12:23 AM »

I will happily add that my own Arthurian project has a HUGE Cornwell influence! And I will fight to defend the respectability of that!

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2011, 11:45:01 AM »

We are, afterall, playing with small toy soldiers rather than writing an article for a peer reviewed journal.

So each to his own  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2011, 11:56:01 AM »

Bezzo, here are some more suggestions for your reading list:

Frances Pryor (again) Britain BC - as well as being a good summary of mid-2000s understanding of the archaeology, Pryor makes some fun connections between known bronze age practices and technologies and Arthurian legend, which should get your creative juices flowing.  Pryor does a lot of general books (and TV appearances), but his own specialist field is bronze age fenland.

Michael Parker Pearson Bronze Age Britain - part of an English Heritage series.  Lots of useful pictures, including reconstructions.

Barry Cunliffe (ed) Prehistoric Europe: An Illustrated History - a very useful general account from the doyen of iron age archaeology, despite the oxymoronic title.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2011, 12:09:17 PM »

Thanks steve

Francis Pryor is a hero in my eyes. Erudite and informative and a good advocate for history in general (despite having a beard which needs trimming). Laugh
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2011, 04:52:40 PM »

Thanks steve

Francis Pryor is a hero in my eyes. Erudite and informative and a good advocate for history in general (despite having a beard which needs trimming). Laugh
   
and he tried to pre-flavour the sheep on his farm by feeding them mint!!!  A proper British eccentric Grin
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 05:43:33 PM »

Ok...so plenty background for you now then?
Let see some scenario's nicely photographed figures and a decent after action report eh?
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What figures are you using? Foundry? Or the larger Jim Bowen range from monolith?
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2011, 06:20:04 PM »

Foundry

But this is my Christmas present so the figs are going to Lapland till 25 Dec...when they will be unwrapped.

However the terrain will be made between now and then.
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2011, 07:48:35 PM »

I did write a big long post last night regarding various scenarios but due to a poor internet connection it keeps timing out.
A few years ago I visited the Archaeological Museum in Copenhagen where there was a wonderful display of Bronze age weapons and boats. The display had an illustrated book which to my regret I didn't buy. Perhaps one of our Danish members could get more details for you.
http://www.vikingtoday.com/articles/2008/20080415.htm
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2011, 07:59:33 PM »

Thank you Swiftnick from Ultimathule!

Appreciated.
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 08:39:35 PM »

It would be a great period to game and like others have mentioned the early Irish Myths could be a great source of imformation for gaming scenarios and describe heroic warfare which seems to have a similair feel to those of Homer, even though these Myths may relate to much later times.

In archaeological terms the period in Western Europe saw people carving up the land and the division of land, eithier being grabbed up by powerful individuals or tribes. Ok, it's pre-history but a lot can be gained from the archaeological record if you know where to look.

It saw a proto arms race in the tems of the development of rapiers, spears, daggers, swords and axes all made in bronze (those that have argued for bronze axes of the period being used for tree felling...try cutting a tree down with one!!!...i and a few friends tried with very good replica using the same metal alloys and cast in the same manner in the late 90's as an archaeological experiment, the axe was soon too blunt to cut! Laugh) Other metal items include fragments of helmets, grieves and shields but how common they were is at present highly speculative and even if they were worn in combat but worn for display. Swords of the period display nicks along cutting edges to suggest they where used in combat against other swords and the tips of bronze spear heads have been found lodged in human bones. The style of swords also suggests warfare or combat was at times up close and very personal. Horse equipment also shows up for the first time.

Some have argued that the production of metal and metal artefacts of the period were both considered to be 'magical' processes and perhaps the weapons themselves were considered to have had magic or at least a spirit imbued in them. The source of the metal ores would have been controlled and highly protected and large scale or industrial mining susch as at the Great Orme went on.

The period saw the rise of enclosed settlements and a much greater reliance of farmed livestock i.e cattle and these would have both needed to be protected from nieghbours even if open warfare wasnt an everyday occurance but raiding would have perhaps been more common. It also saw the settlement of marginal land i.e uplands and river valleys occuring suggesting that good agricultural land was at a premium and populations were growing.
 
Metal objects were also hoarded during the period and many 'founders' hoards composed of broken bronze fragments of weapons have been found and these suggest bronze was a very highly controlled resource in society.

Trade with Europe and Britain went on and sea going vessels have been found, tidal rivers were navigated and so were our inland waterways, large dugout wooden boats have been found in places like the Humber and Trent.

Conspicious consumption through feasting and displays of giving up precious items to the 'God's' (normally in wet places like rivers and bogs) have been found in the archaeological context. The climate also appears to have been milder and wetter than today with a much greater rainfall and this has been considered to be a driving factor in a greater stratification of society and perhaps one of the drivers of structured society and all the things it brings with it i.e tribes and tribal leaders, followers, politics and squabbles.
Hope this quick overview from an ex-archaeologists and wargamer gives a bit of food for thought for the period Smiley even if his spelling is lousy
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